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Does the disability sector in New Zealand do enough to employ people with disabilities into senior roles within its own organisations? Kathryn speaks to Pam MacNeill, who is blind and says progress has been too slow. She wants to see a greater push to have more people with disabilities into roles where they can lead and manage their own sector. Also joining Kathryn is Grant Cleland, the chief executive of Workbridge, a specialist employment service for people with disabilites. Grant is a wheelchair user, and talks about the challenges facing people with disabilities getting into leadership roles.