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Media commentator Andrew Holden joins Kathryn to look at attempts by Canada to introduce legislation similar to Australia's that would compel the likes of Google and Meta to negotiate deals with publishers. Select committee hearings have continued into the TVNZ/RNZ merger and Stuff's online video about foetal alcohol spectrum disorder has won an international award. Andrew Holden is a journalist for more than 30 years including five as Editor of The Press (in Christchurch) and four as Editor-in-Chief of The Age in Melbourne.